The ABS residential price series confirmed further broadly based price falls in the June quarter.
It will no doubt get the hysterical house price forecasters very excited.
It also allows me to give an update on the offer I made to Martin North from DFA about his heroic forecast that house prices would drop by between 40 and 45 per cent over the next few years. The letter to Martin and the offer are reproduced below.
Suffice to day, house price falls are continuing. And from the peak level:
- Sydney: down 3.9 per cent (peak June qtr 2017)
- Melbourne: down 1.4 per cent (peak Dec qtr 2017)
- 8 cities: down 1.4 per cent (peak Dec qtr 2017)
We are, unsurprisingly to sober analysts, a long, long, long way from the 40-45 per cent Martin is forecasting a long way from the 35 per cent I offered to wager Martin at 6 to 1; and still a long way from the 22.5 per cent fall, in any of those markets, I offered Martin at 2 to 1.
The offer is still open to Martin for a couple of weeks, if he wishes to reconsider.
Congratulations on your cameo on the TV program 60 Minutes. It was gripping viewing and a quite fantastic story.
I note with a huge amount of interest your forecast for property prices to fall by “40 to 45 per cent”.
It is a big call and certainly grabbed the attention of many in the public.
I note also that on your blog, you suggest the quote which included that forecast was not given the context you attached to it, namely, you rated it “only a 20 per cent chance” and that the 40 to 45 per cent price fall would be “over 3 years or so”.
That context is important.
Over the many years I have been making forecasts for the economy and markets and seeing others do the same, I find that forecasts without any skin in the game are often compromised. It is easy to construct a headline grabbing forecast for a significant move in markets, including house prices for example, but when they fade into oblivion, there are no implications for the forecaster. Forecasts really only has validity if the forecaster has an interest in the forecast being correct.
In other words, would the forecaster really make that forecast if they put their money where their mouth is?
To that end, I would like to offer you the following wager:
I will offer 6 to 1 ($15,000 to $2,500) that Sydney or Melbourne or national wide house prices will not fall by more than 35 per cent from their peak at any stage before and up to the December quarter 2021. The measure will be based on the Australian Bureau of Statistics Residential Property Price Indexes, Eight Capital Cities, Catalogue No. 6416.0.
This means that if, at any stage the price index for any of Sydney, Melbourne or the aggregate eight capital cities prices is down 35.0 per cent or more, I will give you $15,000 cash. Conversely, if by the time the December quarter 2021 data are published and the peak to trough decline is 34.9 per cent or less in Sydney, Melbourne or the eight capital cities, you have to give me $2,500.
How is that for generous and a wonderful chance to leverage your forecast into some cold hard cash?
Not only am I offering very generous odds (6 to 1 which is above your 5 to 1 probability), but I am tapering your forecast by a massive 5 to 10 per cent from the 40 to 45 per cent fall you were forecasting on the 60 Minutes program (prices only need to fall 35 per cent) and I am offering three possible markets for that to occur (either Sydney, Melbourne or the eight capital cities measure) and for the peak to trough being around 4 years, not the 3 years you suggest.
As an additional bet over and above that offering, I will offer 2 to 1 ($20,000 to $10,000) that at no stage from the peak in prices and the December quarter 2021, Sydney or Melbourne or national wide prices drop more than 22.5 per cent. That is a very generous 2 to 1 for a fall of just half of your forecast decline. If at any stage dwelling prices fall by 22.5 per cent or more, you collect $20,000, if they don’t you pay me $10,000.
How is that for amazingly generous odds and for you to have a great return even if you are half right?
The June quarter 2018 residential price series is released this week (18 September 2018) which will not change my offer but will add a little bit more information on the extent of the current price down turn.
This offer is open until 5.00pm, Canberra time, Friday 28 September 2018.
I look forward to hearing from you.
I will make the details of this offer and your response to it public as an additional part of establishing our credibility in the all important forecasting space.